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Since the Rapture only is just right around the corner, and in our near future...
Haven't you yourselves always felt, and wondered if perhaps Jesus could already be in the process of choosing whom He will take out of this world, when He calls us up to join Him in the clouds? I mean, do you feel His nearness drawing closer to you, as that time approaches?
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Re: The Rapture
The Rapture and the Second Coming could very well be the same event. But that is a whole seperate debate.
The process of choosing? No, He already knows the end from the beginning.
As far as growing closer, I feel that I am maturing spiritually all the time - slowly, but maturing nontheless.
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in the process of choosing whom He will take out of this world
 i don't agree with that one point, he , from the beginning gave us free will, he didn't create robots
but yes i do feel and other Christians feel its closer than ever, from evidence taken from the bible to world events going on now
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Order ofMelchizedek wrote:
The Rapture and the Second Coming could very well be the same event. But that is a whole seperate debate.
The process of choosing? No, He already knows the end from the beginning.
As far as growing closer, I feel that I am maturing spiritually all the time - slowly, but maturing nontheless.
Mel, the Rapture follows the upcoming Gog and Magog War, and precedes the terrible Tribulation Period which God brings on the introduction to the Antichrist. Read these lical texts...
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (KJV)
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(17)Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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We'll be escaping this Earth to be with the Lord in *the" clouds, and won't have to endure what those whom will be left behind have to go through.
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Mel, the Rapture follows the upcoming Gog and Magog War, and precedes the terrible Tribulation Period which God brings on the introduction to the Antichrist.
Well, I don't want to get into a big long theological debate over the end times again, but I'm just not convinced of the pretrib rapture view. I'm not saying it can't be, I'm just saying that the posttrib and even midtrib views back their ideas by Scripture as well.
In the end, we'll see which one is correct. It's certainly not worth dividing over, and I don't really have a strong opinion on any of the views.
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Well, I don't want to get into a big long theological debate over the end times again, but I'm just not convinced of the pretrib rapture view. I'm not saying it can't be, I'm just saying that the posttrib and even midtrib views back their ideas by Scripture as well.
In the end, we'll see which one is correct. It's certainly not worth dividing over, and I don't really have a strong opinion on any of the views.
Tim LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins have it also right on. They get their material straight out of the . You really should delve into their series of Left Behind books; beginning with The Rising.
Right now, I'm currantly reading the 9th in their series, which is titled -- Desecration.
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I've read all the original 12 Left Behind books, as well as Revelation Unveiled by Tim LaHaye. I also have a Tim LaHaye Prophecy Study Bible and have read every article in it, as well as another book of his called How to Study the Bible for Yourself.
I am completely familiar with this view, yet I remain unconvinced. Possible? Sure, but so are some of the other views.
I would suggest researching the Post Trib and Mid Trib views, so that you have a well informed opinion of the matter. They all back them up with Scripture.
What really troubles me is Tim LaHayes "two-phase Second Coming." I cannot find this idea in Scripture. It seems to be a stretch in order to reconcile the preconceived belief that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two seperate events, while Scripture does not say that. At least not specifically.
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That's because, when Jesus comes to call us, His Church up to join Him in "the" clouds...His feet does not touch the earth. Whereas for His third coming, He'll bring us (for which we'll be riding white horses) all back with Him to do battle with the Antichrist at Armageddon to end all battles.
You can read about it in the Book of Revelation (after Chapter 4, you will find that the Church is conspiculously absent...that's because we'll be raptured);14:20;19:11-16 (KJV)...
Rev. 19:11-16
(11)And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
(12)His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
(13)And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
(14)And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15)And out of his mouth goeth a sharpt sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and the wrath of Almighty God.
(16)And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
We're the armies mentioned in the above verse 14 that will come back with Him to end all battles at Megiddo...at the end of the Tribulation Period. That's why we must be raptured first, before the Tribulation Period begins. Now do you understand, Mel?
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I know the view, and I understand it. However, I remain unconvinced. The Bible only speaks of our Lord returning once, not multiple times. Hence, the "two-phase" Second Coming. All three views have pros and cons, and I've looked into them all.
In the end, I don't know which one is correct, and my salvation doesn't depend upon it.
I guess we'll see. Maybe on the way up into the clouds, you can look me up and say, "See? I told you it was just like the books!"
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Video here
D.c. Talk › I Wish We’d All Been Ready
Life was filled with guns and war
And all of us got trampled on the floor
I wish wed all been ready
The children died, the days grew cold
A piece of bread could buy a bag of gold
I wish wed all been ready
(chorus)
Theres no time to change your mind
The son has come and youve been left behind
A man and wife asleep in bed
She hears a noise and turns her head hes gone
I wish wed all been ready
Two men walking up a hill
One disappears and ones left standing still
I wish wed all been ready
(repeat chorus)
The father spoke, the demons dined
How could you have been so blind?
(repeat chorus 2x)
I hope well all be ready
Youve been left behind [3x]
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